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作者: magic_1981 時間: 2022-1-21 10:21 AM 標題: [拜登稱：俄羅斯可以輕輕的打擊烏克蘭，美國會不管][非新聞][2021-1-21]

拜登在其執政一周年之際召開的新聞發布會上稱：“如果是小規模的短暫入侵，我們可能會就該做些什麼，以及不做什麼，進行爭論。”
輕輕的打擊不算打擊？這是什麼話啊？拜登是不是老年痴呆越來越嚴重了？
說的這是人話嗎？
美國現在真的是外强中干啊，死鴨子嘴硬，明顯在把主要力量放到亞太的情況下無法在東歐壓制俄羅斯，普京也是看准了這個機會强硬反扑過去二十年被美國一直東擴壓制的情況，這次普京肯定不會輕易放棄這麼好的戰略時間點，要把北約推出烏克蘭甚至更多，美國不可能在兩三年內與俄羅斯在歐洲發生直接衝突，拜登這次要虧大了

作者: gogosp 時間: 2022-1-21 10:39 AM

俄國普亭對於烏克蘭虎視眈眈，就看美國願不願意出手相救呀！

作者: ak999 時間: 2022-1-21 10:49 AM

美國棒
如果是小規模的短暫入侵
例如中國武力犯台
我們可能會就該做些什麼
以及不做什麼進行爭論
棒

作者: Cancer555 時間: 2022-1-21 11:17 AM

本帖最後由 Cancer555 於 2022-1-21 11:22 AM 編輯

個人認為美國在誘導俄羅斯動手這樣就可以將國內混亂問題轉嫁到國外去這是拜登政府所樂見的但俄羅斯主要的目的是美歐簽下不東擴協議兩強所希望的結果是不同的但雙方衝突最多到四月底就能緩和就不知最後是誰會退讓了

(畢竟能源在寒冷季節能花揮更大的影響力)

作者: zogol 時間: 2022-1-21 05:03 PM

不會的，為了從中獲利，沒開打前美國一定嘴泡支持的，開打後就知道會不會出兵了。

作者: is8476 時間: 2022-1-21 08:17 PM

美國當然希望北約跟俄羅斯小打小鬧起來
這樣一來,美國的負擔就變輕了

作者: xeno-2007 時間: 2022-1-21 08:26 PM

Cancer555 發表於 2022-1-21 11:17 AM
個人認為美國在誘導俄羅斯動手這樣就可以將國內混亂問題轉嫁到國外去這是拜登政府所樂見的但俄羅斯主要 ...

先說清楚綠台傳媒不報的資訊：

在這位 Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelensky 上任之時，烏克蘭政府是貧窮到公務員沒糧出。
他以在電視劇中當總統救國救民的妄想信念，提出不怕天下人責難的方案：
在烏克蘭大量種植粟米，向中國政府推銷，要求預先收取貨錢，
利用 Trump 的貿易戰機會，搶了本來美國雄霸中國大陸市場的粟米生意，
令`粟米出口中國`成為現在烏克蘭最重要的賺外匯收入來源。
而找中國去疏通俄羅斯，負責用鐵道運送粟米到中國，也成功令俄羅斯同意停戰。

本來這計劃對中、俄、烏三方都有利！(美國不高興了！)
但突然，有烏軍主動偷襲俄軍，之後那些烏軍又突然後撤逃跑消失，
情況就演變成俄羅斯陳兵十萬於烏克蘭邊境。

烏克蘭總統呼冤呀，從沒有下令要偷襲俄羅斯，究竟是誰在弄陰謀詭計？

作者: 金凱杜 時間: 2022-1-21 09:36 PM

開戰了頂不住1天美國也就不瞭你們

作者: xeno-2007 時間: 2022-1-21 10:45 PM

(CNN) President Joe Biden on Wednesday predicted Russia "will move in" to Ukraine, citing existential concerns by the country's president, Vladimir Putin, even as he acknowledged disunity within NATO over how to respond to a "minor incursion."

The candid assessment laid bare the struggle Biden faces in creating meaningful consequences and deterrents for Moscow, which remains closely intertwined economically with the United States' top European partners.

The remark elicited near-immediate outcry in Kyiv, where officials have been meeting with Biden's top diplomat as Russian troops amass on the country's border. High-level attempts to clean-up the comment soon followed at the White House.

While Biden vowed withering economic consequences on Russia should Putin send his troops over the frontier, including restricting its financial transitions in US dollars, he suggested Western nations were not in sync on what to do should a lesser violation occur.

"It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and we end up having to fight about what to do and not do," Biden told reporters at an East Room news conference. "But if they actually do what they're capable of doing with the forces amassed on the border, it is going to be a disaster for Russia if they further invade Ukraine."

Biden signals a change in approach as he heads toward second year of his presidency

Later, asked to clarify what he meant by "minor incursion," Biden said he drew the line at "Russian forces crossing the border, killing Ukrainian fighters"
"I think that changes everything," the President said. "But it depends on what he does, to what extent we'll get total unity on the NATO front."
"It's very important that we keep everyone in NATO on the same page. That's what I'm spending a lot of time doing, and there are differences," he went on. "There are differences in NATO as to what countries are willing to do, depending on what happens."
The candid assessment of NATO's divisions -- which have been well documented, even as US and Western officials seek to project unity amid the crisis -- left Ukrainian officials aghast. One told CNN's Matthew Chance he was "shocked that the US President Biden would distinguish between incursion and invasion" and suggest that a minor incursion would not trigger sanctions.
"This gives the green light to Putin to enter Ukraine at his pleasure," the official added, claiming he'd never heard any nuance like this from the US administration before.
"Kyiv is stunned," he said, referring to the Ukrainian government.
The White House sought to explain Biden's remarks by pointing out a Russian attack in cyberspace or through paramilitary forces would prompt a reciprocal response compared to a scenario where Russian troops move from their positions into Ukraine.

"President Biden has been clear with the Russian President: If any Russian military forces move across the Ukrainian border, that's a renewed invasion, and it will be met with a swift, severe, and united response from the United States and our Allies," press secretary Jen Psaki wrote in a statement following Biden's marathon news conference.

Blinken says Russia could double troops on Ukraine's borders in 'short order'

"President Biden also knows from long experience that the Russians have an extensive playbook of aggression short of military action, including cyberattacks and paramilitary tactics," Psaki went on. "And he affirmed today that those acts of Russian aggression will be met with a decisive, reciprocal, and united response."
A senior administration official said if Russian military forces tried to take Ukrainian territory by force and violated Ukrainian sovereignty -- whether that was a "small portion or a large portion" of land -- that would constitute an "invasion" by the Biden administration's standards and would warrant severe penalties.
And while the official acknowledged the US and NATO members likely will not have the "same list" of targets and details matching on every measure, the response would remain "highly unified" and "provide a force multiplier to actions we take."
Biden's remarks came as the US entered what officials have deemed a dangerous period, when a Russian invasion could occur at any moment. The President, while acknowledging lingering uncertainty over Putin's intentions, said Wednesday he believed the Russian leader would soon invade Ukraine.
"I'm not so sure he is certain what he is going to do. My guess is he will move in. He has to do something," Biden said, describing a leader searching for relevance in a post-Soviet world. "He is trying to find his place in the world between China and the west."
Biden's prediction of an invasion was the firmest acknowledgment to date the United States fully expects Putin to move after amassing 100,000 troops along the Ukraine border.
After speaking with Putin twice last month, Biden said he believed his Russian counterpart had a good understanding of the economic sanctions he was preparing to enact.
"He's never seen sanctions like the ones I promised will be imposed if he moves, number one," he said, adding the level of punishment would depend on what Russia's invasion looks like.

US weighs more military support for Ukraine to resist Russia if it invades

That includes limiting Russian transactions in US financial institutions -- "anything that involves dollar denominations," Biden said.
The President warned Russian lives would be lost in an invasion, along with potential Ukrainian casualties.
"The cost of going into Ukraine in terms of physical loss of life for the Russians -- they'll be able to prevail over time but it's going to be heavy," he said. "It's going to be real. It's going to be consequential. Putin has a stark choice. Either de-escalation or diplomacy. Confrontation and consequences."
"This is not all just a cake walk for Russia," he went on. "Militarily, they have overwhelming superiority. And as it relates to Ukraine, they'll pay a stiff price immediately, near term, medium term and long term if they do it."
Biden speculated Putin was not seeking "any full-blown war," but said he did believe he was looking for some type of confrontation: "Do I think he'll test the west? Test the United States and NATO as significantly as he can? Yes, I think he will. But I think he'll pay a serious and dear price for it."
Biden's prediction came after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Wednesday urged Ukrainians to not panic and to "calm down" over fears of a possible Russian invasion.
"All our citizens, especially the elderly, need to understand this: Everyone needs to exhale. Calm down. Don't run for emergency supplies like buckwheat and matches. To all the media: Remain as the media, not become a source of mass hysteria. Do not help the enemy in the pursuit of hype by reporting daily that war may happen tomorrow! This will definitely not stop it."
"What is new here? Is this not the reality for the past eight years? Didn't the invasion begin in 2014? Did the threat of the war emerge just now?" he said.
The only reason for "panic is that after eight years we are still influenced by this panic," he added.
Zelensky said Russia's "aim is to weaken Ukraine" in order to force Kyiv to concede to Moscow and "to create such a background that our 'no' sounds weaker."
The Ukrainian leader said Moscow is "actively attacking your nerves, not our state. So that you have a constant feeling of panic."

作者: arrow12 時間: 2022-1-21 11:52 PM

又是一個張伯倫搞綏靖政策看來塔綠斑壓注美國會協防台灣是押錯了

作者: ysm168 時間: 2022-1-22 12:25 AM

把烏克蘭換成台灣..把俄國換成中國..一點也不違和..在台灣多數人民認為兩岸要維持現狀..但是何種現狀??? 現在民進黨執政下的台灣..不承認92共識一中各表..又無法台灣獨立..然後小英無法解決兩岸關係又用兩岸交惡來鞏固政權..玩到最後中國直接不跟台灣玩了..要開戰不用台灣同意隨時可以..天真的台灣人民還認為..兩岸開戰時美.日還有世界各國會為台灣出聲還是出兵??? 就算有戰場也是在台灣
打完後還剩下什麼??? 尤其時下的年輕人和人民有多少肯為國而戰??? 我有為國戰死的決心..你有嗎??? 有用嗎??? 看清楚時事吧..有能力的當權者應為國家人民避免戰爭吧..而不是整天交惡加嘴砲
就能維持現狀吧!!!

作者: ab12a222 時間: 2022-1-22 01:59 AM

就利益問題~在吵在談在算計
反正打不打是一回事~利益為上
當年說海珊有核武所以攻打伊拉克~
結果打下來後核武呢? 核研究呢? 什麼都沒看到
反而是北韓真的有核武核試爆但是結果呢? 誰敢帶頭打!?

作者: hunter1660 時間: 2022-1-22 07:00 AM

俄羅斯~普丁~本來就只是劍指"烏東"頓巴斯
這波以軍事壓力來測試美國支持北約的"決心"
小規模入侵是目前最可能的

現階段看來是普丁又贏了
美國根本已經沒能力在歐亞兩線同時對上兩大國
拜登決定~放生~烏克蘭全力壓制中國崛起~!
至於北約??
等他們決定好接不接受~烏克蘭加入~
戰爭都打完了~~!

作者: Cancer555 時間: 2022-1-22 11:11 AM

xeno-2007 發表於 2022-1-21 08:26 PM
先說清楚綠台傳媒不報的資訊：

在這位 Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelensky 上任之時，烏克蘭政府是貧窮 ...

個人是將俄羅斯通訊社新聞放在每天必看項目說實話俄羅斯已被逼到退無可退的地步(快要無戰略緩衝區) 如真被迫到沒辦法地步逼俄羅斯不得不支援讓烏東獨立都不行簽定烏克蘭不加入北約協議是對西方最低成本的方式我認為西方最後會同意哈哈

作者: BC0951049 時間: 2022-1-22 08:43 PM

連美國總統都嗆記者在問什麼鳥問題

作者: maxf1 時間: 2022-1-31 02:31 AM

美國人選出的拜登真的讓人傻眼感覺不出他有總統高度

作者: jchgeorge 時間: 2022-2-16 12:52 PM

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